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with me is author and filmmaker robert

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emeneger

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and former security manager and chief of

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requirements for the audio visual

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program at norton air force base paul

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shardle gentlemen mr emeneger how did

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you get involved with ufos well it was

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in 1973 when i was vice president of

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gray advertising and i took time out and

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went to norton air force base to explore

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subjects for television specials related

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to the defense department

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while discussing several of the subjects

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ufos came up and paul here told us about

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a film of a landing of alien crafts at

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holloman air force base

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about three years earlier what did you

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see mr shuttle i saw footage of three

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disc shaped crafts one of the craft

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landed and two of them went away why did

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it land it appeared to be in trouble

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because it oscillated all the way down

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to the ground however it did land on

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three pods

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a sliding door open

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a ramp was extended and out came three

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aliens

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what did they look like well they were

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human sized they had odd gray complexion

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and a pronounced nose they wore tight

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fitting jumpsuits thin headdresses that

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appeared to be communication devices and

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their hands in their hands they held a

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translator i was told

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a holloman base commander another air

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force officers went out to meet him you

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actually saw these aliens on the film

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yes

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this film footage sounded very very

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special and we wanted to use it as the

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ending of our television special did you

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was it in your special well although the

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pentagon had been very very cooperative

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all the way at the last minute the film

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was confiscated and we lost the whole

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finale of our show but what i saw and

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heard was enough to convince me that you

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know the phenomenon of ufos is real very

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real mr charter what did your superior

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officers tell you i was told it was

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theatrical footage the air force has

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purchased to make a training film well

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that sounds plausible doesn't it

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well if it were a theatrical film why

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don't i have a record of this it was my

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job to keep accurate records of all

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audio visual purchases

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is there any other reason that you feel

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this was not a theatrical film

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yes it was too real the people who were

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shooting

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that they were air force personnel lucky

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for us

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the day they were shooting they were

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doing an acceleration test

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it's too bad we couldn't get that

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footage from the air force gentlemen

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thank you very much for being with us

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then to put the documentary out and then

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i find out that there's eight seconds of

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the holloman air force base film in the

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film

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so bob's my friend i phone up bob

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there's eight seconds of film in there

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and he goes well yeah and i said he told

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me to pull the film you told me it was

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sent back to the pentagon and he said

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well did he told me this whole story

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about the guy going across the country

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and his small bats and taking the film

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back to the pentagon said but there's

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eight seconds of film in the documentary

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and then he said the key words he said

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but it didn't show anything

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and i said oh no he said his background

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and i said

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background what do you mean it's

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background and he said it didn't show

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anything and what it is is you see the

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hills of holloman and you see this

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object this brilliantly lit object at

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six o'clock in the morning coming over

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the hills but it's in a distance so it

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you don't see it close up and you don't

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see the alien when the alien gets out

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that's the classified part so they want

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you to know that holloman happened and

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they allowed them to use this eight

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seconds of the film